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I take it you haven’t seen the pictures Drudge linked to of protesters in Portland burning an effigy of a U.S. soldier- much worse.
totaltransformation
March 21, 2007 at 7:02 am
it is a free country.
walljm
March 21, 2007 at 8:35 am
again I say, free to those who give aid and comfort to the enemy? To those who give the enemy ammunition to use against our troops for torture and such? From the comments section of a couple quotes ago:
thelonedrifter
March 21, 2007 at 9:29 am
“It’s a free country” — are you kidding me??? Why do people use this phrase to defend things like this? Being a “free” country doesn’t mean you have license to do whatever you’d like with free reign! We have to abide by laws and respect the rights of others around us – not just live only for ourselves and do things that make us (and only us) happy. In my opinion, what the man in the picture is doing is disrespecting the entire country and especially the military by showing such disrepect for the flag that represents what this country is about.
Honestly, I wish people like the one pictured would just move out of the country. If they don’t like it here why don’t they go find somewhere else to live that they think is better. Maybe because THEY CAN’T!!! This country may have problems – every country does – but it’s still the greatest country on earth!
Okay, that’s the end of my rant.
momlovesbeingathome
March 21, 2007 at 9:32 am
The American flag is not toilet paper stuck to one’s shoe. What a dirty filthy scum.
No more, Wit or Wisdom. I can’t take it. This really makes me angry.
Psycheout
March 21, 2007 at 10:35 am
[...] or Wisdom finds more mistreatment of our flag by degenerate protestors. The title says it all: Makes Me Sick. The photo will turn your [...]
Anti-war Protestors Burn American Flag « Blogs 4 Brownback
March 21, 2007 at 10:36 am
No, it is not “treason.” Treason is a violation of allegiance toward one’s country.
I think that dragging the flag through the streets is a stupid way to get your point across. In fact, it is almost certain to get your point buried in negative emotion, often hurled by the uneducated and uninformed. Nevertheless, I even find it offensive. When I lived in Stockholm, I saw a group of Serbs who placed an American flag on the ground, and were taking turns spitting on it and stepping on it. In my nice suit, I grabbed it, challenged them to take it from me, and walked away with it.
I imagine those Serbs certainly had a right to do what they were doing. Some of them likely lost loved ones or homes to our military forces. I can see why they would want to trample the American flag. I just wasn’t having any of it.
Nevertheless, our “country” is defined by our Constitution — not by our flag. If one of my fellow citizens wants to drag the flag behind him in the street, the Constitution protects his right to do so, and thus he has me as an unwilling ally. On the other hand, when someone threatens my Constitution — without which my flag is meaningless — then I get far more upset than I was at a few scruffy Serbs in Stockholm.
Your suggestion that anyone who doesn’t like this country can leave is one of the most tired, stupid, redneck, idiot perspectives that our Constitution forces us to tolerate. This is a free country. Thus, if you don’t like this country, CHANGE IT.
The guy in this picture is trying to do that. His method is stupid. His method is trite, dull, ill advised, and ineffective.
Nevertheless, between him and the author of this blog, the man desecrating the flag is the greater patriot, and the blog owner is the traitor.
marcorandazza
March 21, 2007 at 12:02 pm
Th Red Cross gave aid and comfort to the enemy in WW1 and WW2 (and other wars i believe).
I mean, I don’t agree with the fellow dragging our countries flag through the mud, and I consider him unpatriotic, ungrateful and foolish. But, it is his right to express his opinion, and to affirm or oppose a war and affirm or oppose our government and our nation.
Treason is a good deal more serious than what you see in that photo.
walljm
March 21, 2007 at 12:45 pm
marcorandazza, I never said he should leave. Just because someone comments on my blog that he should does not mean I feel that way. I’m not so sure why he wants to live here, but it’s his choice.
walljm, I ask you to kindly go back and read my last comment. Now, was John Kerry being treasonous? Is there not reason to suspect that terrorists could take comfort in this disgusting display? Is there not reason to suspect that terrorists could use this kind of stuff in torture? And furthermore, it is one thing to aid humans who are suffering; it is quite another to aid people who are trying to blow your head off!!!
I really expect better from you, walljm.
thelonedrifter
March 21, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Nice. The flag-desecrating, troop-hating, un-American, non-patriotic scum is a greater patriot a blog owner who is sickened by such a self-indulgent, thoughtless and disgusting act and dares to point it out?
Welcome to upside-down world. This is the liberal mindset at work.
“Greater patriot?” Go away. You are out of your tiny, little mind.
Psycheout
March 21, 2007 at 1:03 pm
“…greater patriot than a blog owner….” Arggh!
Psycheout
March 21, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Harrison: John Kerry was being foolish, yes, he was even demoralizing to troops, but what he did wasn’t treason, and neither is what the man in the photo is doing.
For the record: Treason is “Violation of allegiance toward one’s country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one’s country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.”
The key words here are consciously and purposely, something I don’t believe applies here.
In addition, you questioned whether the man in the photo should be “free” to to “give comfort and aid”. I disagree with your characterization, which is why I pointed out that the Red Cross did that very thing. I also understand that you draw a distinction, but, as much as we may not like it, it is his right to affirm or oppose and to say as much vocally or with symbol.
What he did isn’t treason, though it may very well be betrayal of what the flag stands for, but our freedoms and what the flag stands for guarantees him that right.
walljm
March 21, 2007 at 1:42 pm
You’re hopeless. What part of “his words were used in torture” don’t you understand?
I define treason, in cases of the United States, by the Constitution, Jason (since you seem inclined to call me by my name). You, evidently, do not.
Are you saying that they did not make a conscious effort to degrade and belittle America.
Again I say, the Red Cross merely aids those who are injured or need serious assistance. That is being human. Not aiding a cause.
How many times do I have to repeat myself until such as you get the point?
thelonedrifter
March 21, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Harrison: After some further reading, I want to make one clarification and one concession. The constitution defines Treason as “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”, which is where I am assuming you got the phrase. This means that the Red Cross probably did not give succor to enemy soldiers (I am going completely on guess work here).
As for the clarification: I don’t believe that in this context, what the man was doing (what exactly he is doing or saying by dragging the flag on the ground is unclear) can be considered “giving aid and comfort to the enemy” as it is defined constitutionally.
walljm
March 21, 2007 at 1:51 pm
oy… posting is happing so fast here I’m not getting your replies before posting my own.
walljm
March 21, 2007 at 1:53 pm
What does dragging a flag across the road have to do with aiding the enemy? It’s like you pulled a random picture out of thin air and began ranting about it! Yes, it is a free country. It was made a free country so people could state their own ideas and opinions FREELY, without being persecuted. THEIR opinions, not ours.
munchkin
March 21, 2007 at 10:45 pm
I think we’ve been through this already. I didn’t pull the picture out of thin air. It was part of a series on a war protest in… San Francisco, of all places. (you know what I mean by that, munchkin.)
I didn’t link to the whole thing because it had pictures of stuff I wasn’t going to be showing or representing on my blog.
thelonedrifter
March 21, 2007 at 11:32 pm
oh, I see.
*pretends to look insulted* Hey now.. lol. ^.^
munchkin
March 22, 2007 at 10:26 pm
I’m pretty sure there aren’t many people that support desecrating the American flag (in America anyway), however it still is allowed within the constitution. If you consider the desecration of the American flag treason, then with that same logic anyone who goes against the war, even rationally, a traitor. The only difference is degree. But degree doesn’t matter does it, it’s still the same. So why not ban all actions against the war? because this is protected by our constitution. You’re a christian aren’t you? What sin is worse in God’s eyes? the lie or the murder. Same concept here, rationally going against the war still, under your definitions, is considered treason. Burning the flag is just a way to show their dislike for this war, not the country. I’m pretty sure if you ask most people in America if they like this country, they will say yes, but a majority will say that they do not like the war. They are not one in the same, they are seperate so just going against one doesn’t mean they go against the other.
ts31
March 23, 2007 at 11:03 am
I really don’t understand what you are saying when you say, what’s worse: the lie or the murder? Could you explain?
No, I contend that the only difference is not degree. The desecration of the flag is not a protest against the war, it is almost always a protest against the country. (I suppose that there are isolated incidences where the desecration of the flag would be trying to use a picture to show what’s happening to the country, but that’s a really bad way to make your point.) It is one thing, in my mind, to say that the war is bad. It is another thing entirely to give the enemy fodder to use in torture and the like. This falls under that category.
That makes no sense. Why, if your problem is with the war and the way it’s being handled, do you burn the flag? You are burning a symbol of America. You are indicating contempt for the blood, courage, bravery, purity, honor, and truth that the colors stand for. That is not against the war. That is against the country.
I presented, from the Constitution, why I think flag-desecration and dissent of that sort in time of war is treason. There is a difference, I think, between free speech and misguided rebellion. Would you call it treason if someone attempted to overthrow the government without probable cause? That is what burning the flag symbolizes.
I would think you would realize, living where you do, that there are people who genuinely hate this country, yet take advantage of its benefits. That I do not have a problem with. But do not invest in this country’s overthrow. You seem to be unaware of the evil in the world that says that America must die because America stands for evil. They do not realize that the freedom they possess only in this country exists. But with that freedom comes responsibility. To defend flag-burning, to say it’s okay, is wrong. Especially from someone who (it seems) claims to be a Christian. Granted, it’s possible that it is not unconstitutional. It is not possible that it is right. Again, I quote to you from 2 Peter:
thelonedrifter
March 23, 2007 at 12:59 pm
I disagree with you as well ts31. I don’t think burning a flag is representative of being against the war – just as lonedrifter said, the flag is a symbol of this country – not war. Speak against the war if you wish but don’t desecrate the flag that represents this country in the process.
I didn’t get the lie v. murder thing either???
momlovesbeingathome
March 23, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Defend this one:
Psycheout
March 24, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Oh, remember, in the bible in God’s eyes, all sin is just the same? (yeah I should have made that more clear, sorry D= ).
Anyway, I NEVER SAID I condone, it, I just say that it’s their right. I don’t have to agree with them to defend their right now do I? And yes, I do agree that it is wrong, but again, it is protected by the constitution. Also, I’m just saying, many people keep saying that everyone who is against the war are traitors, (even some of you to some extent) That’s about it… I think.
ts31
March 25, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Anti-American Left is Increasingly Out of Control
I’m sickened by our most lowly vocal countrymen. They have no idea the sacrifices made on their behalf. They are oblivious to what is done to protect their right to spit in the faces of their fellow Americans and to burn our Soldiers in effigy.
I…
Blue Star Chronicles
March 25, 2007 at 1:28 pm
Okay ts31, it’s cool. Let’s drop it.
thelonedrifter
March 25, 2007 at 9:34 pm